in the paper the next day. and i thought this is utterly ridiculous. i've given the guy a warning. if i was involved in hacking celebrity phones because i wanted to pub the stories, why would i be warning them all? >> rose: so when you were doing this, how widespread was it, even if you didn't do it? this was all before what happened to it "news of the world." by what, 10 years? >> look, i left fleet street in 2004. >> rose: okay, less than 10 years. >> right. i haven't been there for nearly a decade. as i said to the levinson inquiry -- >> rose: why do they want to talk to you? >> because enough people had come out and tried to smear me. and i wanted to talk to them. and i tried as best i could to go over it all and to say what i could remember, which, by the way, was very little. i said, look, in my book, i know in january, whenever it was, 2001, i was wander about the practice ofacking. i heard, like a lot of people, rumors about it. you know, that people would say the reason that paper got that story was from hacking.